and that there would are civil action that would roll out right after trial. where does your client stand in that accusation? >> my client is here tomorrow for one purpose only and that is to come before the court to have the judge hear the impact mr. sandusky has had on life and to close this chapter. hopefully. >> close it, or close this part of it and move on with a civil claim against either the university or y other body that he might be able to file action against. >> the claims against penn state are separate and distinct from the criminal process that mr. sandusky is involved in here tomorrow. it's a totally separate matter. >> we bring in paul callan about this notion of appeal. i haven't looked through trial record completely. there is usually something you can find that can be brought before a judge for an appeal. from your recollection of this extraordinary case, is there something on which mr. sandusky might be able to hinge an appeal in this case. >> in criminal cases, you always have the right to appeal. it's a question of whether the appeal has